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I'm stood in the background saying "we don't' use that word here" but it doesn't make a bit of difference and I'm sure that no one would believe me. What are everyone's opinions on it? I to worked in a nursery for many years and it was definitely a word we never used, and still I would seldom use it.
I see it as a negative word! Mum was very surprised when I explained why I felt the need to say not me lol! But understood. I will call an action naughty but I have never called a child naughty, even my own. So if someone say hits someone else I might say "that's naughty" but not "you're naughty".
I do not think it does any harm to use the N word so long as we are not labelling the child. I have a time-out space, where children can go and calm down or have a think but they all call it the "naughty step" even though I NEVER call it that. They obviously get it from home. Originally Posted by AliceK. Simona Guest. Originally Posted by greenfaerie. Sorry, but the word naughty doesn't bother me.
AliceK liked this post. It's another matter however if you label a child a "naughty child" as this may end up a self fulfilling prophecy and do damage long term.
AliceK , Dragonfly liked this post. Originally Posted by mumofone. Originally Posted by Simona. I agree with you in part on what you say For me personally this has nothing at all to do with 'political correctness' or whether naughty is fashionable or otherwise What about those parents who do not wish any labels imposed on their child I have had lengthy discussions with them and respect their wishes while reassuring them labels are not stuck on their children Last but not least I could go on.
I recall very well the distress caused to a child who was constantly called a 'tomboy' until one day she told the other children to stop calling her so Words indeed come and go but the labels often stick.
Originally Posted by bunyip. Good question. Boring etymological fact: originally the word meant "without value" - closely related and possibly derived from the old Saxon word "niding" pro. But words come and go, and meanings change over time. Typically, words like "professional", "friend", "rude", etc. Viz, a desire to appear pc and oh-so-up-to-date with the new thinking.
Looking on the bright side, we'll probably only have to tolerate this particular piece of 'clever' nonsense until the next fashion comes along to replace it like time in, time out, time shake it all about and do the hokey-flippin'-cokey while you're at it Because it ignores the basics of communication: that what we say may not be what the child hears and understands.
Preschool children simply do not have the linguistic skills to perceive the subtle difference between a description of the person and a description of their behaviour. So all this 'clever' verbal circumlocution is completely lost on the child. Teachers do not tell children they are "bad" or "naughty". But they still get complaints from trendy mummies whose children come home and tell them "my teacher says I'm bad" when teacher actually as describing their behaviour and not a character flaw.
My mindees come home and tell me "so-and-so was told off for being naughty today", not "so-and-so was told her behaviour was unacceptable for the following reasons EY practitioners, educational "experts" and all the rest of the band are always happy to avoid "labelling".
But they still use labels just as much, only in the opposite way. Everything is "amazing" and everyone is so "good" in this overpoweringly "positive" world. It's like a bunch of over-qualified Mr Tumbles constantly screaming "we're all friends! Is this any better? Well, sing it to Officer Krupke and tell it to the judge.
At least they won't suffer the ignominy of their future residence being called "the naughty prison". I suspect we're going to bring up a generation to believe they're amazing and good and can never do wrong. Originally Posted by shortstuff. That is quite an impressive list Simona. How about these?
Still labels from a person who dislikes labels. Sorry to be picky but I dont understand your logic on this subject. You yourself dislike labels but have added a good list yourself. Anyone can assume that a descriptive word is a label. Whether that was the originators intention or otherwise.
It is all subjective and open to interpretation IMO. Dragonfly liked this post. The OP asked what was our opinion on using the word naughty. I have given my personal opinion on why I do not use it Others can use it if they wish and if they believe it addresses what is usually a behavioural matter.
And no Bunyip I would not stop them I differ from others involved in this discussion but accept your reasoning behind it To tell a child his action is dangerous is factual if he throws toys There are several words I just cannot bring myself to use in ever day life, not just in childminding.
One of them is "naughty". I don't really know why, but it doesn't sit comfortably with me. I might think it my head, but I never say it to a child.
I say they're being unkind or not very nice or that they're doing something that I don't like, but I'll never say they are naughty or what they're doing is naughty. I guess it's probably come from some training I've been on at some point and it's always stuck with me Another word I can't us is "posh". My junior school teacher always told us it was an awful word and we were never to us it I fear the avoidance of any kind of criticism at all breeds kids like the 6 year old I look after.
Completely oblivious to others feelings she bulldozes her way through all situations probably because her parents have never told her she is being rude or naughty. She's constantly told she's wonderful and doesn't hear anything else. AliceK , shortstuff , FloraDora , Dragonfly , bunyip liked this post. Have you heard the story in the news today about the kid who got his mouth washed out with soap I'm sorry but I would have said he had been incredibly naughty and other choice words!
I don't see any harm with the word 'naughty'. IMO it's ridiculous the who-haa the word causes. Dragonfly , AliceK , bunyip liked this post. Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 Last Jump to page:. What's Going On? Quick Links and Advertisements. Important Information Links.